Having been closely monitoring my friends over at the Liblogs, I can say that they are certainly treating Torturegate as their chosen controversy of the week. Given their outlandish overreaction to past contrived controversies, it is difficult to take them seriously on any issue, serious or otherwise. At this juncture they have moved past the fault that lies at the feet of the previous Liberal Administration and are focused on the current Government being reluctant to release sensitive information into the public sphere. For an appropriate representative sample of Liberal Bloggers, read this nut's assertion on rules of engagement for our Armed Forces...
I suppose nobody told them that the Mark Cuban movie bombed. The Liblogs even have their "youth wing" breaking news on foreign policy. How cute. I have a 16 year old niece that is very intelligent and I believe has a bright future. But she really has no idea what is going on in the world outside her high school. Since when are the young, adolescent Liberals who have not experienced the World going to lecture us on foreign policy?
They are furious because the government refuses to turn over all our documents that include sensitive information on military operations over to peacenick blowhards like Layton and Dosangh for some Parliamentary justice. If the military would like to conduct an internal investigation, I trust them to do so honourably and in accordance with Canadian law. I trust my Armed Forces to do the right thing. If the Liblogs want to answer Rosemary Barton's carrion call and shove this down the public's throat, then I will continue to defend my Government and my Armed Forces.
I would recommend reading some of my own blogging archives on the subject of torturegate:
I basically started out by watching Peter MacKay on the Evan Soloman Show and I wrote. Peter MacKay Owns Evan Soloman.
Bothered by Liberals accusing my Defense Minister of war crimes, I asked the question about Colvin's Moral Obligation on this issue. The Liberal Blogosphere responded with furry. I never said he committed war crimes, I simply asked if he had the moral obligation to inform his superiors of what he suspected verbally.
The next piece that I wrote was Slander and I assume you can understand why. Liberals were accusing me of slandering Richard Colvin while they were themselves slandering Peter MacKay.
I started following the Liblogs and wrote Liblog Amnesia about the LPC hypocrisy. Then I wrote Cleaning up a Liberal Mess which is a true story by the way.
Then I started reading the Colvin testimony and wrote Colvin Testimony to present some highlights. Then I wrote I support Peter MacKay and I stand by that claim.
With Ottawa out of session, I will have more free time to read the rest of the Testimony and write about it.
Intersting that if these "revelations" where there, that during the libs tenure in government they didn't utter a peep.
ReplyDeleteTaking that one step further, if this was such a travesty then, why did they vote in favour of extending the mission?
I too check out what the other said is saying by frequenting some select Liblog blogs.
ReplyDeleteThe funniest thing I found so far about this torture-gate or whatever. At Far and Wide (a decent liberal blog, but their standards) Steve V has a post called "How people with something to hide act". The coles notes on it is that people who are guilty, try to control the availability of information, and that he doesn't buy how redacting the memos is needed to protect the safety and credibility of the Canadian Forces. Transparency is paramount.
I commented on the post without profanity and with respect, repudiating some of his thesis. Guess what happened? For a post called "How people with something to hide act" Steve V censored my comment, and then my next one that pointed out the sweet irony.
These guys are rich. You can't argue with stupid. That's the difference between Conservatives and Liberals. We just think they are wrong, and do our best to prove it with logic and reason. They think we're evil, and plug their ears to our heretical counterpoints. Where the Canadian Forces take bullets for our freedom, the Conservative party is willing to take the political bullets shot at them from the muzzels of the Liberal Party.
Good Post Iceman: I also have asked questions of CTV Tom Clark No where do these eminent media personalities question the lib pundits on the time line mentioned by Colvin: For instance, Mr. Colvin went to Afhganistan in the spring of 2006 and in may 2006 he supposedly wrote letters to anybody and everybody; The Conservatives had just coming through an election which they won in January 2006, Parliament was recalled in Feb and a Budget for 2006 was introduced. The Government by May did not even have time to familiarize themselves with the Afhgan file. The Detainee transfer order that the Conservatives were following was a hurriedly signed document by the Libs late in 2005 that did not give the Canadian Military access to the detainees. When the prisoner abuse came to light the Conservatives acted to replace the transfer agreement with one that allowed them to monitor detainees.
ReplyDeleteThis whole thing sticks of lib underhanded tactics to get back into government (remember it is their divine right to govern).
Libs must be kicking their butts now, that they did not follow Bush into Iraq.
ReplyDeleteThey could be blaming Saddam's torture and killing of his people on Harper too!
Great post Iceman. You have been really following this with vigor. True Canadians who love their country will always stand by their Defence Ministry when at war. Doing otherwise is traitorous, even if the other parties want to cloak it in whatever name they think is suitable to mire the Conservatives. Ordinary Canadians feel at a loss to understand why the Libs, the NDP and the Bloc are in such an uproar and talking about the Geneva conventions in a situation that was a natural course of conduct. The alternative would have been to bring those arrested unto Canadian soil.
ReplyDeleteThis nonsense coming from their camps will further alienate the 3 parties with the voting public .... just wait and see. It's all good news for us.
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My question for the Lib Bloggers is: Do they think Jack and Gilles will play torture-gate the way Iggy wants it played ?
ReplyDeleteConsider this reasonable scenario ... Flaherty brings out his budget. Jack and Gilles denounce it. Later on they bring in a non-confidence motion, lumping together the "wrong way" budget, with coverups, possible war crimes, etc etc.
Donolo has conceded they are playing a "long" game, they are down in fund-raising, disunited, low in the polls--altogether, they are weak and compromised in whatever actions they might take.
The Opps, and Harper know all this. So this admittedly hardball move by Jack and Gilles has little risk for them, and lots of upside. Mainly that the anti-war, anti-Harper vote drifts towards them.
The biggest weakness of the Opps is that they aren't united in how to proceed. Harper thus holds the stronger hand, since pretty well the entire CPC membership is united behind Harper, and only HE is calling the shots, without having to negotiate with any partners.
A while back during the 'war in iraq and when Saddam was still alive, an american reporter was seen entering a cafe shop where she encountered iraqi men sitting and listening to their radio.
ReplyDelete"what are you listening too" she asked, they responded " to the outside world", " why" she asked, "to get information as to what is going on here(iraq)
The american reporter simply asked "why don't you get your information you seek from the media(iraqi media)"
They answered "that is not our media, that's saddam's media"
Imagine that, these men for years knew that SADDAM was not for them but had to endure the 'pain of silence'; as one of the men mention to the reporter that for years people disappeared but they could not question the authorities nor ask their media for answers.
Iceman, when I heard their answer I realize back then and still today, that I, felt and feel the same way he did down to the last letter.
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HIS IS NOT OUR MEDIA IT IS THE LIBERALS' MEDIA.
We have emailed, question the media reporters on the missing money, corruption, and so on and up to this day, they refuse point blank to say anything.
The media CBC CTV G/M T/S, do remind of the SADDAM'S media, hugo chavez's and others like them.
CANADIAN NATIONAL MEDIA will pay dearly for the years of manipulation, lies which they drilled into canadians.
The national media have lived in a world with the LPOC working together helping each and the media wants to keep it that way without any interruption from the conservative government or from 'outside' medias. As the sayings goes" you scratch my back and I'll scrach yours"
ReplyDeletemeaning, "the liberals can do as they please as long as they give the media what they want".
Wilson, here's something for you to read about:
ReplyDeleteJanice Gross Stein and Eugene Lang: Our man in Iraq
Posted: October 12, 2007, 2:00 PM by Marni Soupcoff
Eugene Lang, Janice Gross Stein
Did Canada really stay out of the Iraq War? The answer is more complicated than Jean Chretien would have had Canadians believe.....
Read more:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2007/10/12/janice-gross-stein-and-eugene-lang-our-man-in-iraq.aspx
Hey CC, thanks for the traffic my man! You are making me money.
ReplyDeleteI'll keep doing my best to piss you off, you keep sending me those consumers. Though I have noticed the number of travellers you are sending my way has diminished significantly from past incidents of outrage. Is your influence diminishing? My traffic has been growing quite comfortably, and I love when ignorant dipshits like you send me exit links.
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