Thursday, May 27, 2010

G8? G20? Both? Neither?

This evening's poll question, which international consortiums do you think should exist and meet on a repetitive basis? Should there be just a G8 or just a G20? Should both exist? Should neither exist? I listened to Adler interview McParland tonight on this matter, and the general consensus was that major breakthroughs are few and far between at these events. I would say that it is extremely difficult to accurately measure the exact global economic benefit of these summits on the global economies, but that many, many trillions of dollars flow between these 20 economies every year.

Even if the leaders just pose for pictures (remember Mr. Prime Minister, if you require a bathroom break, try holding it for a few minutes), I would argue that there is a benefit to all these bureaucrats and stakeholders meeting and speaking, I just have no idea what the dollar value of that benefit is. A billion dollars? I don't know. It should facilitate a more efficient flow of commerce between these vastly interconnected economies, but good luck calculating that number.

I suppose the next question is if we support the existence of one or more of these institutions, do you want to see Canada host one or both of their summits? I am trying two G20-G8 poll questions simultaneously. Which should exist, and which would you like to see Canada host. I think that the costs are too high and I agree with Ignatieff that Toronto is not a good host for any major international event. Assuming the costs are reasonable, there should be a net benefit.

The costs are as high as they are because we are hosting both the G8 and the G20, which in hindsight might have been too ambitious. What can the G8 do that the G20 can't? Isn't every G8 member also a G20 member? I vote to scrap the G8 and just have the G20. Would I support hosting the G20 knowing it would cost us over a billion dollars? No. Would I support hosting if it cost 200 million dollars? Yes.

7 comments:

  1. If there was only some kind of device that would allow these leaders to talk with each other without them having to travel great distances.


    My kingdom for such device!

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  2. Paul Martin is aligned with Maurice Strong, so he wants globalisation. It is is too early to have a G20, except as a side show.

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  3. They got to start darting rioters at those things. Forget tear gas, give'em the knockout stuff.

    A brief nap would do those mindless angry mobs some good. Long enough to make them detain-able anyway.

    If they're gonna keep violate the rights of others then they're temporarily forfeiting their own.

    And damn it, embed the frigging journalists with the police in their own gear.

    Those CNN guys were a bunch of idiots in Pittsburgh. Police officer told everyone to leave the immediate area and back off.

    CNN guy "They teargassed us. I don't get why. We're Press" (They tear gassed the other side of the street about 15ft away).

    They told everyone to go, they should of went.
    Anarchist love the press presence, gives them publicity and footage.

    They knew it wasn't a peaceful demonstration.
    Try that stuff in Mexico. There, they wouldn't be so eager to mix in with the crowed and observe from afar.

    Sorry, late night rant.

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  4. scrap the G8, go with G20 and DELETE the UN

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  5. Dart 'em; hell no...shoot 'em. (The rioters that is, not the peaceful ones holding up placards. They're just stupid, not criminal.)

    As for the G8/20 photo-op: do it by video conferencing. Our ministers, of every department, get to carry out plenty of face-to-face on their global jaunts.

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  6. "I just have no idea what the dollar value of that benefit is"

    There's also a hefty cost for NOT being part of these type of meetings. If the G-8 is the top tier, and G-20 is the second tier, do we really want to become part of the 3rd tier.

    The problem with scrapping the G-8 is that as a member, we are one of a very elite club of 8 nations, and so our voice is listened to. As they say, we punch well above our weight. As a member of the G-20, we would sink to much less importance, particularly since in total dollar terms, our economy is relatively small.

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  7. Ps A simpler solution than scrapping the G8 would be limiting the size of each countries delegate numbers

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